March 30, 2023 | 95 min
This extraordinary panel of Princetonians committed to disability justice and enhancing accessibility in the arts explored the advances to which our community has contributed.
Kay Gayner '86, is the Artistic Director of National Dance Institute. She began teaching for National Dance Institute in 2000 and is responsible for the direction of NDI’s In-School Program, which currently serves approximately 6,500 children in New York City public schools. She has served as Co-Creator and Co-Founder of the NDI DREAM Project since 2014, an inclusive program that provides children with disabilities the opportunity to dance and perform alongside a group of age-matched peers.
Christopher “Unpezverde” Nunez is a Visually Impaired choreographer and Disability advocate based in NYC. Núñez is a Princeton University Arts Fellow 2022-2024, a Dance/USA Fellow 2022, a Jerome Hill Fellow 2022-2024 and a Mellon Foundation Grantee 2023-2024. His work has been presented by The Joyce Theater, The Brooklyn Museum, The Kitchen, Danspace Project, among others. He has held residencies at Brooklyn Academy of Music (BAM), The Kitchen, Movement Research, Center for Performance Research, and Abrons Arts Center. In 2020, Núñez was invited by the NYC Mayor’s Office of Immigrant Affairs to share his story as a disabled and formally undocumented choreographer during Immigrant Heritage Week. Núñez received his green card in 2018 and continues to be an advocate for the rights of undocumented disabled immigrants.
In his course Introduction to Radical Access: Disability Justice in the Arts, Núñez invites all artists, from choreographers to theater makers, film makers, visual artists, writers and composers to immerse in a highly collaborative, improvisational, experimental and inclusive community to explore Disability Justice as a framework for creative, dramaturgical and curatorial practices.
Maysoon Zayid, is a comedian, actress, writer, and disability advocate. She is a graduate of Arizona State University and a Princeton Fellow. Maysoon is the co-founder/co-executive producer of the New York Arab American Comedy Festival and The Muslim Funny Fest. She was a full-time On Air Contributor to Countdown with Keith Olbermann and a columnist for The Daily Beast. She has appeared on 60 Minutes, CNN, ABC News, and Oprah Winfrey Networks. Maysoon had the most viewed TED Talk of 2014 and was thrilled to collaborate with Huda Beauty.
As a professional comedian, Maysoon has sold out top New York clubs and has toured extensively at home and abroad. She was a headliner on the Arabs Gone Wild Comedy Tour and The Together Live Tour. Maysoon appeared alongside Adam Sandler in You Don’t Mess With the Zohan and has written for Glamour magazine. She limped in New York Fashion Week and is a recurring character on General Hospital. She is the author of the best-selling memoir Find Another Dream and is collaborating with Scholastic on her debut comic book Shiny Misfits.
Michael Zhang, Ph.D. candidate in Princeton's Department of Art and Archaeology specializing in African art history, is a co-founder of Museumverse, a startup using VR and digital technologies to bring new dimensions of museum experiences and exhibitions and to strengthen community engagement.
A special thanks to Nassau Street Ventures for providing the venue at its Alumni Ventures Group NYC offices for this TigerTalks event.
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My name is Don Seitz from the00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:39.000
Princeton Entrepreneurship Council, to00:01:39.000 --> 00:01:42.000
folks here in New York City and her00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:45.000
friends running remotely, welcome to00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:47.000
this edition of Tiger talks, a00:01:47.000 --> 00:01:48.000
phenomenal topic that I'm excited about00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:56.000
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Part of a series of Tiger talks,00:01:57.000 --> 00:01:59.000
exploring through different lenses and00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:01.000
perspective gives, social impact issues00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:09.000
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hosts, Tom Meyer, and managing partner00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:20.000
with alumni who has been so generous,00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:23.000
once again, to offer this wonderful00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:25.000
space in Midtown, Manhattan.00:02:25.000 --> 00:02:35.000
Tom, come on up and say hello.00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:36.000
[ Applause ] >> Thank you, I am Tom00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:37.000
Meyer and thank you for coming tonight.00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:39.000
I'm the managing partner of alumni00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:43.000
ventures Princeton focus funds.00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:45.000
This is a big capitol funds for funds00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:48.000
for lot of the top schools, the best00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:53.000
one being Princeton.00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:55.000
We are now a big firm with over 100:02:55.000 --> 00:03:00.000
billion in assets in our management, we00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:01.000
were ranked just the most active00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:02.000
venture capitol firm and we do one or00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:03.000
two deals a day.00:03:03.000 --> 00:03:11.000
I ask you to have a good time tonight.00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:12.000
If you have interesting companies to00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:13.000
invest in, let me know, if you want to00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:14.000
invest with us let me know.00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:15.000
Anyone can come in.00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:16.000
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for joining us.00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:19.000
>> Thank you, Tom.00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:23.000
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I should probably say if you want to00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:26.000
invest in the arts, talk to Tom as well.00:03:26.000 --> 00:03:35.000
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Speaking of the arts, Princeton00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:37.000
entrepreneurship Council often00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:39.000
collaborates with many campus partners,00:03:39.000 --> 00:03:40.000
including many important ways with the00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:44.000
center of the art.00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:46.000
The inspiration for tonight's panel is00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:48.000
my colleague at Lewis Center for the00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:50.000
arts, Angel Gardner.00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:52.000
Come on up.00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:54.000
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>> Thank you for being here everybody.00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:08.000
Been really fortunate, I've cohosted00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:10.000
many events over the years and were00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:11.000
were able to include the arts in this00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:15.000
vision.00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:19.000
I am especially thrilled to have this00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:23.000
panel of friends and colleagues, here00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:24.000
to talk about accessibility in the arts.00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:38.000
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I was inspired in particular, and it00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:40.000
sort of blossomed from there.00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:45.000
I'm going to let the moderator00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:46.000
introduce the panelists and they will00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:47.000
give you the directions but I want to00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:51.000
start by introducing the moderator.00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:55.000
My former colleague from a previous00:04:55.000 --> 00:04:58.000
life, I have the privilege of working00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:00.000
with her for almost nine years.00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:02.000
She's a teaching artist and currently00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:09.000
the artistic director or and currently00:05:09.000 --> 00:05:14.000
serves 6500 in New York City in the00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:15.000
advanced space curriculum, and many00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:18.000
thousand more through national programs00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:21.000
and teacher training initiatives .00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:26.000
In 2014 she cofounded the dream00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:34.000
project, which pairs disabled children00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:37.000
with peers to be able to create these,00:05:37.000 --> 00:05:38.000
so it was sort of it was wonderful to00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:45.000
talk about the subject.00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:46.000
And now, from the great class of 1986,00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:47.000
Katie Baker .00:05:47.000 --> 00:05:54.000
>> Thank you, Angel.00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:56.000
>> I am a white woman in my 50s, I have00:05:56.000 --> 00:06:00.000
gray hair cut close and short.00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:04.000
I consider it sassy.00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:09.000
I'm wearing a black V-neck shirt and00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:10.000
dark green pants and on my head are a00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:11.000
pair of glasses that I will be using00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:13.000
throughout the evening.00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:16.000
If it's all right with you I would like00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:17.000
to call out our panelists introduce00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:18.000
themselves if that's okay.00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:29.000
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[ INAUDIBLE ] visual description, I am00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:41.000
visually impaired and I am.00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:42.000
[ INAUDIBLE ] and 6 feet tall, I am00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:56.000
wearing a mask.00:06:56.000 --> 00:06:57.000
A sweater, black pants, shoes, and I00:06:57.000 --> 00:06:58.000
have.00:06:58.000 --> 00:06:59.000
[ INAUDIBLE ] on my feet that we will00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:01.000
talk about in a minute.00:07:01.000 --> 00:07:07.000
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>> I am an Asian American with short00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:21.000
black hair,, I'm wearing a light gray00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:29.000
jacket and beige pants.00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:32.000
I'm a graduate student and I am.00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:36.000
[ INAUDIBLE ] started at Princeton,00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:40.000
which aims me together.00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:44.000
[ INAUDIBLE ] solutions, for ways for00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:45.000
communication and I will speak more00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:46.000
about that.00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:50.000
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Over the course of this conference .00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:54.000
>> Hello everybody.00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:55.000
I am.00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:56.000
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[ INAUDIBLE ] and I look like the last00:07:57.000 --> 00:07:59.000
Kardashian.00:07:59.000 --> 00:08:00.000
I have long brown hair and cinnamon00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:04.000
skin.00:08:04.000 --> 00:08:13.000
I am a comedian and an advocate, a00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:14.000
writer a commentator because being00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:15.000
disabled in America is extremely00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:17.000
expensive.00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:18.000
I have to juggle seven jobs but my00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:19.000
favorite job is being a teacher at00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:20.000
Prince 10.00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:21.000
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This is my last season as a Princeton00:08:23.000 --> 00:08:24.000
fellow.00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:28.000
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But, during my stint at Princeton which00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:35.000
we will talk more about, I got to00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:36.000
design an original arts course and all00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:37.000
semester for original courses.00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:40.000
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I failed all of my students.00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:50.000
[ LAUGHTER ] >> So, my first question,00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:54.000
I've been readying all of your work and00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:55.000
I just want to thank all of you, each00:08:55.000 --> 00:08:57.000
of you for what you've been doing to00:08:57.000 --> 00:09:27.000
create innovative accessibility.00:09:56.000 --> 00:10:02.000
All will hear so will try to understand00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:05.000
what is the experience of what Jesus is00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:09.000
true in their daily lives know being in00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:14.000
these incredible institutional basal00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:18.000
recognize everywhere the plot and a lot00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:22.000
of people regional Tiger and so we00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:25.000
decided to take a pause care of00:10:25.000 --> 00:10:28.000
ourselves so clear community there for00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:33.000
each other Elisha understand each other00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:41.000
is essential to work in the classroom00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:45.000
and) and sorry I think radical access00:10:45.000 --> 00:10:47.000
is also capitalism at its finest one in00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:48.000
three households has a disabled member00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:50.000
and were a quarter of the population00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:53.000
and growing as that the COVID pandemic00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:58.000
continues to create newly disabled00:10:58.000 --> 00:10:59.000
people every day I always say where the00:10:59.000 --> 00:11:02.000
community that you can join at any time00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:14.000
whether you what you are not because00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:17.000
disability doesn't describe .00:11:17.000 --> 00:11:18.000
>> I demanded that my spaces be00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:23.000
wheelchair accessible but that I always00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:27.000
had interpreters in my captioning.00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:28.000
My first question will anyone deaf be00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:29.000
there, I said we don't know, will I00:11:29.000 --> 00:11:30.000
give them the opportunity to show up00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:31.000
last minute like the rest of us do.00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:34.000
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For me, radical access is not signing00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:37.000
up two weeks before, begging people to00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:42.000
make space for you.00:11:42.000 --> 00:11:43.000
Is not creating a space where the00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:44.000
wheelchair is on display, because they00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:46.000
can only be in one part of the room.00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:51.000
It's creating a space where anyone can00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:52.000
show up at him an event at any time,00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:54.000
regardless of their ability or00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:59.000
disability, and be able to enjoy it I00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:00.000
think it was really amazing, being00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:03.000
given the opportunity to do this in the00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:05.000
Princeton space, where we are blessed00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:08.000
with the resources is to bring in00:12:08.000 --> 00:12:11.000
interpreters and live captioning, to00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:14.000
introduce audio description and see00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:19.000
fully, fully integrated performances00:12:19.000 --> 00:12:20.000
that absolutely everyone can enjoy and00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:25.000
prove that accessibility doesn't00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:26.000
compromise art, it accentuates it .00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:28.000
>> Amazing, both of you.00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:29.000
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>> So, my the colleagues and I started00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:41.000
this project called museum verse about00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:45.000
a year ago.00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:49.000
The idea was that we wanted to connect00:12:49.000 --> 00:12:52.000
museums and arts and cultural00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:55.000
institutions with people, using new00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:59.000
technologies and new innovations,00:12:59.000 --> 00:13:00.000
especially in the realm of VR.00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:02.000
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Virtual-reality and augmented reality.00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:15.000
We think that the technology has a lot00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:17.000
of potential to bring people together00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:18.000
in different ways.00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:21.000
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Using a space that's not bound by a00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:25.000
loss of figure, there's no physical00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:29.000
constraints.00:13:29.000 --> 00:13:31.000
We've been able to put together00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:34.000
different museums and audiences than00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:36.000
the virtual space, and collaborate on00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:37.000
projects.00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:43.000
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I think, also, we are really privileged00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:51.000
, the human experience, the qualitative00:13:51.000 --> 00:13:54.000
experience of using VR.00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:56.000
One of the things you been noticing is00:13:56.000 --> 00:13:59.000
everyone is talking about VR, but it's00:13:59.000 --> 00:14:04.000
really talking about we are in terms of00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:05.000
technology for quantitative metrics or00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:08.000
data points.00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:17.000
We want to cover the user experience00:14:17.000 --> 00:14:18.000
and help receive it and to understand00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:19.000
how people engage with it, the00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:20.000
potentials and also the limitations of00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:22.000
technology.00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:26.000
By listening to people stories is how00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:30.000
we can create a new space or00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:31.000
infrastructure within this new,00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:38.000
innovative emerging technology.00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:41.000
It's about human connection.00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:45.000
>> Dutiful, Thank you all.00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:46.000
. >> What was the title of your course?00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:56.000
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>> The title of my curse -- course,00:14:57.000 --> 00:15:03.000
radical injustice, disability and the00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:04.000
arts .00:15:04.000 --> 00:15:05.000
>> I was reading the audio description00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:06.000
is courtier choreography process.00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:10.000
The distinction between the way audio00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:15.000
description shows up for disabled00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:18.000
people, versus the way you use it and00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:19.000
develop the approach and description00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:21.000
for the process.00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:26.000
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Think it's important to make the00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:33.000
distinction right now.00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:34.000
Between compliance and disability00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:40.000
justice and disability artistry.00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:46.000
Talking about compliance in terms of00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:48.000
physical space, space is physically00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:51.000
accessible, ASL interpretation,00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:54.000
services that usually a consultant, and00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:57.000
access consultant and someone that00:15:57.000 --> 00:16:00.000
specialize is in the building making00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:05.000
sure that everything is assessed and00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:06.000
everything is accessible under the law,00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:13.000
by the law and with the lot.00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:14.000
More focused on let's just celebrate00:16:14.000 --> 00:16:19.000
disabled art .00:16:19.000 --> 00:16:21.000
Let's just take a moment to listen to00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:24.000
disabled artists histories .00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:27.000
Let's take a moment to understand how00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:31.000
complaints can be a perfect tool for00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:37.000
creativity and how disabled artists00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:38.000
take interpretation and mentally, all00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:42.000
the culture around the access work, but00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:47.000
it's also problematic in a way, because00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:49.000
if we think about American Sign00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:53.000
language, what we usually see is the00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:54.000
mainstream, white American sign00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:58.000
language.00:16:58.000 --> 00:16:59.000
We never get to see black sign00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:00.000
language.00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:01.000
Whenever get to see indigenous the00:17:01.000 --> 00:17:03.000
sign language.00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:05.000
I wanted to make a space in my class,00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:10.000
for students to appreciate what00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:11.000
indigenous black disabled people, or00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:13.000
queer and trans people of color are00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:15.000
doing .00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:18.000
With that introduction, I will say00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:24.000
that my crack this is based upon who I00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:25.000
am as a immigrant.00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:30.000
I am gay, I have an accent, I want00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:31.000
people to hear the description with an00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:32.000
accent that is intentional.00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:33.000
I think it's representation that00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:34.000
matters, in every single field.00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:37.000
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I didn't feel represented when I went00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:44.000
to shows at the theater, you name it,00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:45.000
Lincoln Center, I didn't hear anyone00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:53.000
with an accent.00:17:53.000 --> 00:17:54.000
So, my collaborators, they are all00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:55.000
disabled as well, I wanted to center00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:59.000
disabled people because that was also00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:01.000
part of the problem with access work.00:18:01.000 --> 00:18:02.000
Disabled people were not allowed to be00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:06.000
access workers.00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:07.000
I wanted my ASL interpreters to be00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:09.000
disabled.00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:10.000
I wanted to have my community and my00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:11.000
work.00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:14.000
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Ultimately, it's about having fun.00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:24.000
I am an artist, I am disabled, we have00:18:24.000 --> 00:18:25.000
and we still go through many obstacles00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:26.000
today, so I want to have fun and I want00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:30.000
to do whatever I want.00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:31.000
I think artists, disabled or not should00:18:31.000 --> 00:18:32.000
be able to do whatever they want.00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:33.000
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>> Thank you.00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:37.000
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>> I heard you say before that creating00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:43.000
areas for rest slowing down,00:18:43.000 --> 00:18:44.000
integrating that is a part of practice00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:48.000
as an artist.00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:54.000
This is creating access, but we could00:18:54.000 --> 00:18:57.000
all use it, that is part of our culture00:18:57.000 --> 00:19:00.000
of white privilege, it can be go go go .00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:06.000
>> That's why I love working with00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:07.000
Christopher, you meet one disabled00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:08.000
person and you've met one disabled00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:12.000
person because he and I have completely00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:13.000
disabled approaches -- different00:19:13.000 --> 00:19:16.000
approaches.00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:19.000
I don't let my students rest because00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:20.000
Holly would never let me rest .00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:21.000
Of my classes are cutthroat, you have00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:22.000
to do everything right now.00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:24.000
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Of course, I worked very hard on00:19:28.000 --> 00:19:29.000
Disability Integration and also,00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:33.000
matching voices and racists.00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:35.000
If I create Stefan if I have a black00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:38.000
deaf woman, I want a black woman00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:40.000
voicing her instead of the default,00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:41.000
which is always a white man.00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:43.000
Can I talk about my classes?00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:46.000
>>.00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:50.000
>> Very cutthroat.00:19:50.000 --> 00:19:53.000
I came into the fellowship because I00:19:53.000 --> 00:19:56.000
got a phone call from my agent, telling00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:57.000
me that all of my life performances for00:19:57.000 --> 00:19:58.000
the foreseeable future had been00:19:58.000 --> 00:20:00.000
canceled.00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:01.000
I tour about 200 days per year.00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:06.000
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That's my bread and butter, eyes of the00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:08.000
fellowship and I didn't realize it00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:12.000
started a year later.00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:13.000
I was like I will apply for this.00:20:13.000 --> 00:20:16.000
I got it, so my first class I taught00:20:16.000 --> 00:20:17.000
standup comedy, which Princeton00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:18.000
definitely needs.00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:24.000
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[ LAUGHTER ] so each of my students, by00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:28.000
the midterm was doing an open mic, the00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:29.000
final was on performing an original00:20:29.000 --> 00:20:33.000
standup comedy routine.00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:36.000
Second class I created a Hollywood00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:37.000
writers room with three disc set00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:41.000
writers rooms.00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:42.000
First half of the semester they had to00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:43.000
write a script in the second half they00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:50.000
had to create an original pilot.00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:51.000
The writers rooms were mixed up as soon00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:52.000
as they got comfortable, I would yank00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:53.000
someone out and put them in a different00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:54.000
room so they could experience what it00:20:54.000 --> 00:20:59.000
was like being Hollywood.00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:00.000
Because of what Christopher said, I00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:01.000
realize my students were too stressed00:21:01.000 --> 00:21:02.000
out, two years behind because of00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:03.000
virtual learning.00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:04.000
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My class, you have to do every aspect00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:10.000
of work in last .00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:12.000
You don't do anything at home.00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:13.000
Is so it reduces the stress levels00:21:13.000 --> 00:21:18.000
that they have doing stuff at home.00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:22.000
Third, the third class was a messaging00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:23.000
class where I taught be how to do it00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:25.000
and talk and how to write a blog and00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:26.000
answer questions on the panel ensure00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:29.000
time.00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:32.000
Especially, we now have a generation00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:33.000
that grew up was social media and has00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:35.000
already destroyed their lives.00:21:35.000 --> 00:21:38.000
I taught them how to take00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:39.000
responsibility for missed actions,00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:40.000
instead of waiting for it to come haunt00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:44.000
them.00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:46.000
This is my last semester of my biggest00:21:46.000 --> 00:21:49.000
and most important class, page this00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:50.000
stage, came in at the beginning of the00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:58.000
semester and to write an original one00:21:58.000 --> 00:21:59.000
act play in act without life as their00:21:59.000 --> 00:22:00.000
final.00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:02.000
The final thing I did at Princeton,00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:03.000
which I have much more to do and I00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:04.000
think a venture capitalist should00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:07.000
invest in me for this, was welcomed to00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:08.000
the disco what Princeton.00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:10.000
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Disco stands for disability community.00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:18.000
A lot of people are uncomfortable with00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:19.000
the language surrounding disability but00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:20.000
most disabled adults are using disabled00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:26.000
now.00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:31.000
So what I did was I held several00:22:31.000 --> 00:22:32.000
communities on Princeton's campus to00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:33.000
talk about what was working and what00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:35.000
was not working.00:22:35.000 --> 00:22:36.000
I come from a state school and from the00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:37.000
state school background.00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:40.000
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The state schools are working hard on00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:43.000
accessibility.00:22:43.000 --> 00:22:46.000
I think the Ivy leagues who are00:22:46.000 --> 00:22:52.000
innovative, they need to maybe every00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:54.000
once in a while, let go of the gravel,00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:57.000
the gravel path that they had their00:22:57.000 --> 00:23:03.000
first kiss on and maybe let the Ivy00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:04.000
League be more 21st-century, we are not00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:05.000
where we need to be.00:23:05.000 --> 00:23:06.000
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I want to see that happen.00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:15.000
That was a big focus of my work and00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:16.000
making sure that disabled students, who00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:19.000
against all odds, made it to the Ivy00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:20.000
leagues, could stay and succeed in00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:22.000
graduate.00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:23.000
>> Thank you.00:23:23.000 --> 00:23:24.000
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Michael?00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:34.000
I was wondering, and develop the00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:35.000
virtual reality and the experience,00:23:35.000 --> 00:23:36.000
creating more access to the audiences00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:37.000
in the museum, could you tell us a00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:38.000
little bit about the development00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:41.000
process and what were some things that00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:43.000
are working in some challenges that00:23:43.000 --> 00:23:46.000
you've run into .00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:48.000
's back I think this speech is emerging00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:52.000
and there's a lot of potential.00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:53.000
I think it allows us to do things we00:23:53.000 --> 00:23:54.000
can do in the real world.00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:59.000
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The museum context, letting people pick00:24:01.000 --> 00:24:03.000
up objects and the virtual space and00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:04.000
they can make rings bigger.00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:07.000
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They can also do things we can do in00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:12.000
the real world and interact in00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:15.000
different ways.00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:18.000
I think that unlock the engagement00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:24.000
between the audience and the object .00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:25.000
That also contributes to new ways of00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:30.000
storytelling.00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:31.000
I think the potential is definitely00:24:31.000 --> 00:24:40.000
there.00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:41.000
We have been getting a lot of feedback00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:42.000
from our audience.00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:49.000
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We have been having live public demos00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:51.000
to showcase some of our projects.00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:55.000
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I think, there are some challenges,00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:01.000
firstly, the technology is still00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:06.000
developing, there are still glitches.00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:07.000
VR headsets are not super comfortable,00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:18.000
especially if you wear glasses.00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:23.000
And I think, I think some of the00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:24.000
features in VR is quite destabilizing00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:31.000
psychologic way.00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:35.000
We have a project and the response that00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:36.000
we got is that was disorienting and it00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:37.000
was a shock.00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:38.000
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Mentally.00:25:43.000 --> 00:25:50.000
So, I think there are technological00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:51.000
issues and also psychological things00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:52.000
that we need to work out.00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:55.000
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And we need to listen to people .00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:03.000
The other aspect is the question of00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:05.000
accessibility versus building a truly00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:06.000
inclusive world.00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:09.000
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We are at the point where we're still00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:12.000
building this world .00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:13.000
It's not structured yet.00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:19.000
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I think there's a lot of layers00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:21.000
involved right now and a lot of big00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:26.000
companies and government organizations,00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:28.000
a lot of investment interests, because00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:32.000
people CVR and other technologies as00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:38.000
being capable of supplementing or00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:41.000
adding on to the real world in terms of00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:50.000
quantitative data that it can provide.00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:52.000
I think for disability justice, VR has00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:58.000
a lot of potential .00:26:58.000 --> 00:27:01.000
For example, with augmented reality,00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:02.000
it might highlight and accessible path00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:09.000
for you to enter a building.00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:14.000
And you might get lives subtitles at a00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:15.000
public event and I think, the challenge00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:18.000
right now is that the people building00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:19.000
this are people in finance.00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:29.000
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For example, the development of sign00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:35.000
language in VR has been happening and00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:40.000
it's been recent, but the people00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:41.000
leading the project or peep who are00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:42.000
deaf and hard of hearing, people in the00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:43.000
disability justice space.00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:46.000
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So, I think the challenge is to make00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:53.000
sure that we build a space that is00:27:53.000 --> 00:28:00.000
truly inclusive of all backgrounds and00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:04.000
really, in consideration of everyone's00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:05.000
perspective lives and backgrounds,00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:11.000
rather than creating a structure that's00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:13.000
just skinny be or perpetrate the00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:15.000
existing infrastructure in place, I00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:19.000
think right now, we are still at the00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:23.000
point where the door is open for00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:25.000
everyone to bring in their experience00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:29.000
and contribution to the building of00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:30.000
this space .00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:31.000
's back at what points of the robots00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:32.000
going to kill us?00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:33.000
>> Hopefully never.00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:37.000
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>> That's a good segue, thank you for00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:41.000
the segue.00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:50.000
I was can ask you, we talked earlier00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:51.000
about your seven jobs, and I just00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:52.000
wonder if you would be willing to talk00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:53.000
about how you use comedy to dismantle.00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:55.000
There are physical barriers, access00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:58.000
like ramps and things like that.00:28:58.000 --> 00:29:02.000
>> I don't really work in disability00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:03.000
justice, my entire thing is I'm00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:09.000
disabled and I'm your professor.00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:10.000
I'm disabled and nine your executive00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:11.000
producer.00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:15.000
For me it's more action, I am very00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:16.000
emotional about never using my talent00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:19.000
to teach .00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:23.000
I'm not here to teach peep hole when00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:24.000
I'm doing standup comedy, I'm an00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:25.000
entertainer.00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:26.000
I go on stage to entertain.00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:27.000
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A lot of people learn from me because00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:35.000
they live in a really close world where00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:36.000
they have not have access to a sexy00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:38.000
disabled woman.00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:40.000
They think of disabled people as have00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:44.000
snowflake Angel babies that we should00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:49.000
raise money for and get it to blanket.00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:50.000
So my action of walking through limping00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:51.000
to the world is much more about, I am00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:52.000
really good at what I do.00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:54.000
00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:59.000
I am not given the opportunities that00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:00.000
other people are because, performance00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:01.000
spaces, if they are accessible tends to00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:02.000
be to the audience, not the performer.00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:04.000
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I've been doing this job for 20 years.00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:08.000
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I've sold out shows that 35,000 people00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:10.000
in Bridgestone Arena.00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:13.000
00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:14.000
I've never gotten a Netflix special00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:18.000
because Hollywood shuns disability.00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:19.000
They think of us as unattractive and a00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:23.000
conflict to escapism.00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:26.000
Nobody thinks we are worth the00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:27.000
investment when I talk about the00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:29.000
Princeton Fellowship, I came in the00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:34.000
fellowship 20 years into my career.00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:40.000
It was the first time I've ever been00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:41.000
given the implements to do my job, so I00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:42.000
didn't spend most of the time00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:43.000
struggling with accessibility, I could00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:44.000
actually produce staff.00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:48.000
00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:50.000
Princeton University gave me at typists.00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:52.000
I have cerebral palsy, I'm a writer00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:54.000
and I've written best-selling novels00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:57.000
and I'm writing a comic book series.00:30:57.000 --> 00:31:01.000
When I got the comic book series deal,00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:02.000
without Princeton's fellowship support,00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:04.000
I would've had to turn down the00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:08.000
scholastic deal because it's impossible00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:13.000
for me to type 250 pages without having00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:14.000
assistance .00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:15.000
If I was going to pay for a typist I00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:16.000
would spend my entire salary.00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:21.000
00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:22.000
Artist need this so we can have fun, so00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:27.000
that we can create, so that we can say00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:34.000
no to one of the 200 trips and say I'm00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:35.000
not going to Bentonville, they don't00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:36.000
have a hairdresser, and I'm not getting00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:37.000
my hair done at Walmart because they00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:38.000
made me look like a Lego.00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:47.000
It's a whole story.00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:48.000
[ LAUGHTER ] in addition to that,00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:49.000
Princeton did not say number In the00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:50.000
beginning I did have to train people00:31:50.000 --> 00:32:00.000
like Christopher is lucky.00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:04.000
She have interpreters made sure that I00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:07.000
have someone who takes me in a golf00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:10.000
cart around campus because campus is00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:12.000
huge it's very hard to navigate so 1800:32:12.000 --> 00:32:16.000
months I've been with Princeton self00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:20.000
far I was literally able to type two00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:23.000
entire books of my comic book series00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:28.000
that comes out in September I was able00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:29.000
to do an entire two film scripts and I00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:32.000
was able to like I said begin this00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:33.000
Eurasian avoids a look like to be a00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:34.000
disabled student our U.00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:36.000
S.00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:40.000
Why are we failing disabled student so00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:42.000
much like I said these guys believe in00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:45.000
justice I don't I believe in dollar00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:47.000
dollar bills disabled people have the00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:50.000
buying power of China eight trillion00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:52.000
dollars were neither tapping into the00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:54.000
intelligence nor are we tapping into00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:59.000
the product that they can create so yes00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:01.000
of course making sure that 20% of my00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:04.000
crew at all times disabled is a00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:06.000
priority making sure that any disabled00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:12.000
character I write is acted by voice by00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:13.000
disabled person making sure those00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:24.000
disabled people please don't take this00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:25.000
personally because I'm looking at you00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:26.000
men.00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:27.000
>> The people who have broken through00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:30.000
in disability entertainment are white00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:31.000
man, Micah Fowler, Danny Wood, Michael00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:34.000
J.00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:36.000
Fox, we are lucky to have learned and00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:42.000
a couple other amazing black and death00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:43.000
act versus, but in general the people00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:44.000
who have broken through in the arts are00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:45.000
white .00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:48.000
Why, because in general, color00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:49.000
communities are not getting early00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:50.000
access.00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:52.000
They do not get access to education or00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:53.000
access to treatment and definitely not00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:54.000
getting access to the arts.00:33:54.000 --> 00:34:01.000
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First of all, we have to make sure that00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:03.000
our arts programs are welcoming to00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:05.000
disabled students.00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:06.000
Is very hard at the University to00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:07.000
actually get it disabled kid in my00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:11.000
class.00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:12.000
I been trying for semesters and is00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:16.000
difficult.00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:18.000
We need to make sure that none of this00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:19.000
work is because you have to.00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:23.000
00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:24.000
We've had to work 10 times harder than00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:25.000
the nondisabled peers to get where we00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:26.000
are.00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:28.000
00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:29.000
We are proof that we are worth the00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:33.000
investment and at the students that we00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:35.000
teach are worth the investment.00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:39.000
Like I said, a big part of disability00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:42.000
justice is being the person in charge.00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:47.000
Very few people have ever had to answer00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:48.000
to a disabled Muslim woman at Princeton00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:50.000
University.00:34:50.000 --> 00:35:03.000
Now, you should see, boy, do they.00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:04.000
[ LAUGHTER ] >> I'm the angry disabled00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:11.000
person.00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:15.000
>> Christopher, I've seen videos of00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:18.000
your performance .00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:27.000
>> We had a premier last week.00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:29.000
>> What does, for performance venue in00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:42.000
space, what does accessibility for you00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:47.000
as it disabled artists, .00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:48.000
If disabled artists were in charge of00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:49.000
making the artisan technology, what00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:55.000
would that look again where we headed00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:56.000
as a world quick >> It's important to00:35:56.000 --> 00:36:00.000
say, just elaborating a little bit more00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:03.000
, we assume that you is the artist you00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:04.000
are not responsible for the access of00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:06.000
the building.00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:07.000
That is the responsibility of the00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:12.000
building.00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:13.000
Thank you for your booth beautiful00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:16.000
words because when I go and teach my00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:18.000
class, I can be an artist teaching my00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:19.000
class because Prince and is there to00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:21.000
support and they do have the00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:22.000
infrastructure, that is because of you00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:28.000
as well.00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:29.000
To request the services we need .00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:30.000
I can just be a freaking artist and00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:31.000
teach.00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:33.000
00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:35.000
When I go into the space, this is00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:39.000
challenging and I have many dreams and00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:47.000
many ideas but a tell my producer for00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:48.000
the first time in 20 years, as well,00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:49.000
and thank you to the Princeton00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:50.000
Fellowship for my foundation grant, a00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:53.000
major grant that allows me to allocate00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:54.000
money for access and peep working in00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:56.000
disability justice and disabled people00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:57.000
and pay for transportation for people00:36:57.000 --> 00:37:02.000
in wheelchairs, that matters.00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:03.000
That matters because you can have many00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:04.000
dreams but we live in the land of00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:05.000
capitalism.00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:07.000
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:08.000
People don't move a finger if you don't00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:10.000
pay them.00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:13.000
You should pay everyone, especially in00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:14.000
this city where rent is incredible.00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:16.000
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:17.000
It is expensive to live in the U.00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:20.000
S.00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:23.000
It's not cheaper because we are00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:26.000
disabled, we don't get into Walmart and00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:37.000
get it discount because we are00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:38.000
disabled, we say the are paid up same00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:39.000
price.00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:40.000
To me, my dream in my dream space, the00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:41.000
space is fully accessible is a space00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:42.000
where I have the resources, the00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:43.000
funding, the funders to pay for00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:44.000
everything that we disabled people need00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:50.000
to at every moment.00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:51.000
We need to nurture disabled artists and00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:52.000
let disabled artists just be.00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:56.000
00:37:56.000 --> 00:37:57.000
At some point I said I'm not doing it00:37:57.000 --> 00:37:58.000
because I'm an axis consultant as well,00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:00.000
every time I got a resident the,00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:01.000
welcome, Christopher, what can we do?00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:03.000
00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:05.000
I'm not here to be a consultant.00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:09.000
I'm here to be an artist or.00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:15.000
That is my first dream.00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:16.000
I just go into any residency in00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:17.000
Princeton is the exception.00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:23.000
I go into any fellowship or any space,00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:24.000
any show without people asking me, how00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:25.000
can we be more accessible and how can00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:26.000
we have ideal description.00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:27.000
It's not my job, I am here to be an00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:30.000
artist.00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:31.000
I want my collaborators to be who they00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:32.000
are.00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:33.000
00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:34.000
Not to be consultants for everyone else.00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:37.000
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:39.000
That is my dream place, a place where00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:41.000
people are held accountable and00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:42.000
acknowledge that they need to be00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:46.000
responsible.00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:47.000
Accesses everybody's responsibility,00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:49.000
not only disabled people .00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:57.000
>> Thank you for that.00:38:57.000 --> 00:38:58.000
I hear that and I want to take a moment00:38:58.000 --> 00:38:59.000
to repeat the idea that it's the00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:00.000
responsibility of the presenting00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:01.000
organization, or the host to create00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:03.000
access .00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:04.000
>> It's the law .00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:06.000
>> It's not a responsibility it's the00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:08.000
law .00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:14.000
>> You're all just one blood vessel00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:15.000
pop away from needing the access00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:16.000
yourself so prep it before you need it.00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:20.000
00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:21.000
. >> It's true .00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:26.000
>> Not 24 hours before the show.00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:27.000
>> God forbid .00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:28.000
>> Not after you've issued the00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:34.000
invitation .00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:36.000
>> It's a financial question, because00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:37.000
presenting vendors don't have a budget00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:45.000
for access.00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:49.000
But they don't have a budget and they00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:50.000
say we can be accessible with $1000,00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:53.000
that's not true, access is expensive00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:55.000
and you need to allocate five to00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:58.000
$10,000 to access work for one show00:39:58.000 --> 00:39:59.000
only .00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:01.000
>>> Once you begin the access it00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:03.000
become so much easier, you start off00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:06.000
and then it becomes, these are the00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:09.000
people we always use in these are the00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:10.000
rates, I also really hope that is00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:15.000
disabled artists that are given the00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:16.000
access, we've been given at Princeton,00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:17.000
that this is reflected in our students.00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:24.000
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:25.000
I'm done June 30, they can't fire me00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:26.000
but one of the things I did was let my00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:27.000
students who had anxiety come to class00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:31.000
via zoom.00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:32.000
You're not allowed to do that.00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:33.000
You're not, it's the Ivy League and00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:36.000
its in-person learning, they have to00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:40.000
walk through the mud and get to class .00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:43.000
What I realized was that when I met my00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:48.000
students that had anxiety and had00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:49.000
disabling depression, take my class,00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:54.000
via zoom, where they didn't have to get00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:55.000
dressed and put on the camera, they00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:56.000
were so much more successful.00:40:56.000 --> 00:40:57.000
The people in the group were so happy00:40:57.000 --> 00:40:58.000
they had lost the other student.00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:00.000
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:05.000
They think the access that we are given00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:06.000
as educators has to also be given to00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:07.000
our students, they deserve it.00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:11.000
00:41:11.000 --> 00:41:12.000
The old academic theory is sort them00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:15.000
out.00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:16.000
Be as tough as you can, if they can't00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:20.000
hack it, they leave the school.00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:21.000
I don't think that's what we should be00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:22.000
doing with the greatest minds we have00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:23.000
in the country.00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:24.000
00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:25.000
I've taught at Arizona State and NYU00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:26.000
and Prince 10.00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:27.000
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:32.000
Princeton gives you the greatest minds,00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:33.000
they work so hard to get there.00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:35.000
00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:36.000
They deserve the same access that the00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:37.000
professors are given.00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:39.000
00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:42.000
It's really expensive.00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:43.000
It's expensive to have translators and00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:47.000
expensive to clear the path that direct00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:51.000
the inexpensive redo bathrooms and00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:52.000
classic dorms that have a radius for00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:56.000
wheelchair.00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:59.000
But do we as a people ever feel good00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:00.000
about any building on our gorgeous00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:03.000
campus, not being accessible.00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:04.000
I know accessibility is so much more00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:05.000
than the physical.00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:07.000
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:08.000
But if you can't physically be there,00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:09.000
all the rest doesn't matter.00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:13.000
00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:14.000
I want the same investment that was put00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:15.000
in me, put into the students, they are00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:16.000
worth it.00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:23.000
00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:24.000
>> They are not is worth it as they00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:25.000
Kinney kids.00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:26.000
Those kids are better.00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:33.000
I'm kidding.00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:34.000
>> Access in museums, in every area,00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:38.000
what does every museum need to have?00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:40.000
To begin to welcome and then create a00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:42.000
space where people feel they belong and00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:43.000
it's a home where they can come and00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:44.000
visit?00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:57.000
00:42:57.000 --> 00:42:58.000
>> I just want to pick up on the point.00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:02.000
00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:03.000
The affordability of being disabled.00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:08.000
When I was given the description of00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:17.000
myself, I am someone with a hearing00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:19.000
disability, I have hearing aid which00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:21.000
cost a few thousand dollars, that's00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:22.000
what or with insurance coverage.00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:28.000
00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:29.000
They are also made to be obsolete00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:30.000
within a number of years.00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:33.000
00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:38.000
So, speaking from personal experience,00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:41.000
and also, speaking about the biomedical00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:44.000
industry as a whole, this and00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:53.000
affordability it also continues to play00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:54.000
into the system, where the equipment or00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:55.000
the extensions of the body that is so00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:57.000
crucial to people who are disabled, are00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:00.000
being controlled by biomedical can't00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:01.000
these, so I just wanted to point that00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:06.000
out as well .00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:07.000
So, I think one of the biggest00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:12.000
challenges that we have phase, in terms00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:18.000
of working on VR within the museum00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:24.000
setting, is people's mistrust of the VR00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:26.000
heads that, and I am speaking for00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:27.000
people with disabilities and those00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:28.000
without.00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:32.000
00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:38.000
And I think, especially it's hard if00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:39.000
you are with the neuro divergent >>00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:40.000
Room.00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:43.000
00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:49.000
I think it's a challenge to put00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:50.000
something on your head, things that00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:51.000
have different voices and things that00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:57.000
take you to the realities.00:44:57.000 --> 00:44:59.000
I mean, the experience for many people,00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:02.000
the first time they where VR had set,00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:04.000
the effect becomes compounded for00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:12.000
people, who are neuro divergent.00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:15.000
I think, in terms of accessibility,00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:18.000
it's again, just listening to people00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:19.000
and collecting feedback and responding00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:20.000
to the feedback.00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:24.000
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:29.000
I think the danger right now is that00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:30.000
the people, the corporations behind the00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:35.000
technology are reducing the stories and00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:36.000
the experiences into data points, into00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:37.000
certain metrics.00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:41.000
00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:47.000
I think really, the solution is to00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:50.000
listen to people and to turn these data00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:54.000
points into stories and experiences,00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:55.000
creating an environment that's truly00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:56.000
inclusive.00:45:56.000 --> 00:46:00.000
00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:01.000
>> I know were going to run out of time00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:07.000
but I wanted to jump in and one other00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:08.000
way, personally for me as an artist,00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:09.000
when Christopher and I were talking00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:11.000
about how freeing the Princeton00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:12.000
fellowship was, I got my Princeton00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:18.000
fellowship in the fall of 2021, in the00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:20.000
fall 2022, I was paralyzed from my nose00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:21.000
to my toes and in the hospital for00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:22.000
three months on my back.00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:24.000
00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:26.000
As an artist, especially a New York00:46:26.000 --> 00:46:27.000
artist, one of our biggest battles is00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:28.000
insurance.00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:33.000
00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:34.000
I'm as screen actors Guild and if you00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:35.000
don't get enough appearances on00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:40.000
television they take away your00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:42.000
insurance, or if you are an independent00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:43.000
artist and you make a little bit too00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:44.000
much, you are definitely not getting00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:45.000
benefits.00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:46.000
00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:47.000
There's a solution in America that all00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:48.000
disabled people are handed a check00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:49.000
every month to just do what they00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:50.000
please, that's not true.00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:54.000
00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:55.000
We are forced to live in poverty or we00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:59.000
have to be a Baller, like me.00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:00.000
When I got sick, because I was a00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:01.000
Princeton fellow, I had a complete set00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:02.000
in that.00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:06.000
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:07.000
I was able to get the treatment I00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:08.000
needed and continue teaching virtually,00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:09.000
even though they begged me not to.00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:13.000
00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:15.000
Mary O'Connor said you're the only00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:17.000
person in America that wants to work00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:18.000
when I'm offering to pay you for free,00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:24.000
they had my back.00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:25.000
Then, they allowed me to use my00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:27.000
research funds to do something I'd00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:28.000
never done in my life, I was born to00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:32.000
immigrant parents who couldn't afford00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:35.000
physical therapy or occupational00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:39.000
therapy so I took Dance and piano and00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:41.000
that's how I learned my coordination.00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:42.000
I was able to do a research project00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:43.000
where documented having physical00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:47.000
therapy B for the first time in my00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:48.000
life, at Helen Hays in West have a shop.00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:53.000
00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:59.000
I will would have been -- I would have00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:01.000
had an -- been devastated as an artist00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:09.000
if I didn't have the safety net of the00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:10.000
Princeton fellowship we can't dismiss,00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:11.000
as artist, how important it is that not00:48:11.000 --> 00:48:13.000
only are they giving us the resources,00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:14.000
they are giving us the stability and00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:15.000
benefit that we simply did not have00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:19.000
before this.00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:21.000
>> Thank you.00:48:21.000 --> 00:48:36.000
They didn't make me say that.00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:37.000
They were like talk about your cat00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:42.000
Beyoncé.00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:43.000
Also I got divorced, so if anyone00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:54.000
would like to take me out for Ramadan.00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:57.000
I was told the best place to find a00:48:57.000 --> 00:48:58.000
spouse was that reunions.00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:00.000
I'm only here until June 30.00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:02.000
Thank you .00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:03.000
>> Thank you and good luck, you have00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:04.000
heard the message.00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:17.000
Please respond.00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:18.000
[ LAUGHTER ] >> We are about out of00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:19.000
time and we wanted to save time for00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:20.000
questions, but I know that Christopher00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:21.000
had a video, I want to give you the00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:22.000
opportunity if you would like to share00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:23.000
the AV materials that you have brought.00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:24.000
00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:25.000
Take the time now.00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:29.000
>> Sure.00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:32.000
If it's ready to share, yes, this is a00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:34.000
little short film that I did in the00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:36.000
worst part of the pandemic and it was00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:37.000
commissioned by the Joyce theater.00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:43.000
00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:44.000
We were supposed to perform and person00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:45.000
and the pandemic happened and00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:48.000
everything changed.00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:50.000
We did a lovely film, my auto00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:54.000
describer is doing Spanglish, it's very00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:55.000
experimental and it's a story about my00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:59.000
childhood, because my art is also tech00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:03.000
tile, some of the toys in the film are00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:05.000
here in person, they are the megastars.00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:09.000
You're welcome to come and touch them00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:11.000
at some point in the Q&A, don't take00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:17.000
them because they are very collectible00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:20.000
and hard to get.00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:23.000
A fuzzy yellow spot.00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:25.000
>> Should we start?00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:29.000
>> Yes.00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:33.000
>> Are you able to see?00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:34.000
>> Maybe Christopher and Michael can00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:55.000
scoot over a little bit.00:50:55.000 --> 00:51:01.000
>> I don't like that profile.00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:10.000
[ LAUGHTER ]00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:15.000
Dimetapp dancer.00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:18.000
00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:22.000
I am a tap dancer.00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:25.000
>> That's why you are responding.00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:30.000
>> I will get out my sock puppets.00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:32.000
[ LAUGHTER ] can we have some sound?00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:35.000
>> Yes.00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:42.000
>> Thank you.00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:48.000
>> It's interesting how much patience I00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:49.000
have after teaching on zoom, dancing,00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:50.000
slow dance to have faith that it will00:51:50.000 --> 00:52:19.000
come together.00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:32.000
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[ Video playing with captions ]00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:51.000
[ Applause ] expect Thank you.00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:53.000
Thank you.00:55:53.000 --> 00:55:59.000
It's just part of a series that I did00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:00.000
called memories of a disabled child,00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:01.000
the real, the imaginary in the00:56:01.000 --> 00:56:04.000
misunderstood.00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:06.000
It's about the memories of a disabled00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:07.000
child, particularly a blind disabled00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:09.000
child.00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:10.000
>> Thank you, Christopher.00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:16.000
00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:20.000
>> I just have a short three second00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:24.000
clip, showcasing some of the work we00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:34.000
did as museum or's in the fall.00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:38.000
We partner with the museum and the00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:46.000
Princeton historical Society the these00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:52.000
are small size museums, the town00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:54.000
boundaries,, I think if you most people00:56:54.000 --> 00:57:05.000
at the University, most people wouldn't00:57:05.000 --> 00:57:06.000
have been, I think most people would00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:15.000
have been to these sites, so we brought00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:20.000
them together and we created a virtual00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:21.000
exhibition as a way to increase00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:27.000
community engagement between00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:31.000
institutions and to the University00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:34.000
campus as a way to get people at the00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:35.000
University to engage more with the arts00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:46.000
and cultural institution in town.00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:51.000
The objects that the museum selected,00:57:51.000 --> 00:57:55.000
there was a sword that was owned by00:57:55.000 --> 00:57:59.000
Robert Stockton that was in pieces and00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:00.000
fragmented and we did a scan and a00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:04.000
digital reconstruction of the sword.00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:07.000
There was also an 18 century dress, one00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:10.000
of the earliest example was of a French00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:11.000
stress in America belong to Julius00:58:11.000 --> 00:58:12.000
stock tin.00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:14.000
00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:19.000
We also have a Tiffany silver punch00:58:19.000 --> 00:58:21.000
bowl that was commissioned for the USS00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:26.000
battleship New Jersey.00:58:26.000 --> 00:58:30.000
We have a short, 32nd clip, an00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:39.000
overview of the work that we do.00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:49.000
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[ Video playing with captions ]00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:14.000
>> Michael, I love so much about what00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:15.000
you're doing, we talked a lot about how00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:19.000
people don't love the Internet and00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:20.000
virtual stuff .00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:23.000
This really opens a whole new world to00:59:23.000 --> 00:59:24.000
a bunch of disabled people that could00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:27.000
never have access to these things.00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:28.000
Even if it's just that they can't fly,00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:35.000
you know?00:59:35.000 --> 00:59:36.000
This is incredible for everybody, but I00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:37.000
love what it does for disabled kids00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:39.000
that would not have access otherwise.00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:43.000
>> Thank you.00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:45.000
One of the people that we learned most00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:46.000
from our artists while working the00:59:46.000 --> 00:59:49.000
space.00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:57.000
They are very consciously thinking00:59:57.000 --> 00:59:58.000
about how to make VR more accessible00:59:58.000 --> 00:59:59.000
for individuals, not just people with00:59:59.000 --> 01:00:00.000
disabilities but for everyone in01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:01.000
general.01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:04.000
One of the artist we learned a lot from01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:09.000
his name Jeffrey Warren, he did a01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:16.000
project, he has a series where he01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:17.000
reconstructs Chinatown in the United01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:18.000
States and reconstructs them in virtual01:00:18.000 --> 01:00:21.000
spaces.01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:25.000
He also does a workshop where he guides01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:30.000
people into making these individualized01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:33.000
masks that go around the VR headset.01:00:33.000 --> 01:00:37.000
One of the common complaints that we've01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:40.000
heard is that when wearing the VR01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:42.000
headset it makes you feel robotic .01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:43.000
It takes away the human sensory01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:51.000
experience.01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:52.000
By making the VR headset more01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:53.000
individualized, it becomes a way to01:00:53.000 --> 01:00:54.000
access memory in a way to access the01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:55.000
space it that is profoundly yours.01:00:55.000 --> 01:00:59.000
01:00:59.000 --> 01:01:01.000
I think by virtue of working with art01:01:01.000 --> 01:01:03.000
museums and artists, we are really01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:08.000
learning how to harness the potential01:01:08.000 --> 01:01:11.000
of VR through an individualist and01:01:11.000 --> 01:01:12.000
humanistic experience .01:01:12.000 --> 01:01:16.000
>> Great, thank you.01:01:16.000 --> 01:01:18.000
>> I teach through the dream project01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:25.000
and I partner with the pediatric01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:26.000
physical therapist and we teach dance01:01:26.000 --> 01:01:27.000
to children with and without01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:28.000
disabilities.01:01:28.000 --> 01:01:35.000
It's performance oriented and joyful,01:01:35.000 --> 01:01:36.000
live music, to the point of letting the01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:37.000
children be artists, having the01:01:37.000 --> 01:01:38.000
experiences in creating experiences for01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:39.000
they can participate fully and learn01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:41.000
each other, then also perform in front01:01:41.000 --> 01:01:45.000
of an audience .01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:46.000
You are the representation and01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:48.000
advocates that our children will01:01:48.000 --> 01:01:54.000
emulate and learn that they can be01:01:54.000 --> 01:01:55.000
artists as children, with and without01:01:55.000 --> 01:01:56.000
disabilities, that this is a career01:01:56.000 --> 01:01:59.000
that's available to them.01:01:59.000 --> 01:02:00.000
I want to say thank you to each of you01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:03.000
for that example, for the beautiful01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:04.000
work you are doing, for inspiring the01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:05.000
children and helping them to understand01:02:05.000 --> 01:02:10.000
what they can be .01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:14.000
Also, another piece of it is creating01:02:14.000 --> 01:02:16.000
audiences of the future, artists of the01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:22.000
future but also audiences who really01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:23.000
understand that dance can and should01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:26.000
look in many, many different ways that01:02:26.000 --> 01:02:28.000
are beautiful and accessible and that01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:32.000
this really opens hearts and minds .01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:37.000
>> It has to reflect society, we are a01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:38.000
major, major portion of society, very01:02:38.000 --> 01:02:43.000
diverse .01:02:43.000 --> 01:02:46.000
>>> Should be get these people back?01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:49.000
>> I always get self-conscious.01:02:49.000 --> 01:02:50.000
I'm Ariba and I can't have people01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:52.000
behind me.01:02:52.000 --> 01:03:00.000
You see WhatsApp running right now.01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:03.000
>> I don't have anything to share, it's01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:05.000
a party, you can pay me to break up01:03:05.000 --> 01:03:11.000
with people, I swear to God .01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:12.000
>> We have questions now and if you01:03:12.000 --> 01:03:13.000
want to stay at the end I have a video01:03:13.000 --> 01:03:14.000
of our children dance thing.01:03:14.000 --> 01:03:17.000
01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:18.000
Spackle Q&A we will alternate between01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:19.000
the live audience in New York in the01:03:19.000 --> 01:03:22.000
zoom audience.01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:25.000
For anyone in the live audience in New01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:26.000
York with any questions, raise your01:03:26.000 --> 01:03:27.000
hand and I will walk a microphone over01:03:27.000 --> 01:03:31.000
to you .01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:32.000
>> It doesn't have to be substantial,01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:33.000
it can be really shallow.01:03:33.000 --> 01:03:37.000
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>> Just because we have a few minutes,01:03:39.000 --> 01:03:40.000
keep questions brief so we can get to01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:44.000
as many as possible.01:03:44.000 --> 01:03:45.000
>> Hello, I enjoyed your presentation01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:52.000
very much.01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:55.000
I would just like to ask you, from the01:03:55.000 --> 01:03:57.000
devils advocate perspective, because my01:03:57.000 --> 01:04:00.000
understanding from shows like a strange01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:08.000
loop and protections I go to and01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:09.000
Michael R Jackson and Marlon Matlin,01:04:09.000 --> 01:04:12.000
and Stevie Wonder and all of these01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:15.000
people who have disabilities, I am01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:24.000
wondering if you could speak about how01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:25.000
you see, in this genre and what is01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:31.000
going on on Broadway now, if there is a01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:32.000
big open space for people with01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:33.000
disabilities to get their productions01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:34.000
done?01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:40.000
01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:41.000
This is the entire new trend .01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:45.000
>> We wish there was.01:04:45.000 --> 01:04:46.000
We are 25% of the population and right01:04:46.000 --> 01:04:50.000
now a popular media in the amended date01:04:50.000 --> 01:04:51.000
, we are 2% of the images you see in01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:54.000
media.01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:57.000
Whether that is screen, stage or01:04:57.000 --> 01:04:59.000
television, dance, we have much more01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:00.000
representation in music, because of the01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:06.000
nature of this genre.01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:07.000
Bet of that 2% of images of disability01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:10.000
that we see, and these are actual's01:05:10.000 --> 01:05:14.000
that he's done by the Ruderman01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:17.000
foundation and UCLA and USC, 95% are01:05:17.000 --> 01:05:22.000
portrayed by nondisabled artists.01:05:22.000 --> 01:05:23.000
Do we really know how many disabled01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:24.000
artists we have on stage?01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:27.000
We do not.01:05:27.000 --> 01:05:31.000
When we talk about disability, we tend01:05:31.000 --> 01:05:36.000
to focus on visible disability, we have01:05:36.000 --> 01:05:37.000
no way of knowing who has invisible01:05:37.000 --> 01:05:41.000
disability because the stigma against01:05:41.000 --> 01:05:42.000
mental health issues or fibromyalgia,01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:43.000
or any sort of chronic illness.01:05:43.000 --> 01:05:44.000
01:05:44.000 --> 01:05:48.000
The stigma is so bad that you hide it.01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:49.000
But when we see the exceptions, they01:05:49.000 --> 01:05:51.000
are really highlighted.01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:54.000
The reality is that we live in a01:05:54.000 --> 01:05:58.000
country that thinks it's okay for a01:05:58.000 --> 01:06:03.000
major ABC television show to have a man01:06:03.000 --> 01:06:05.000
named Freddy Highmore pretending to be01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:10.000
disabled in 2023.01:06:10.000 --> 01:06:11.000
Super sore still has an ambulatory act01:06:11.000 --> 01:06:12.000
playing a wheelchair user.01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:17.000
01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:18.000
Disability mimicry or what I call01:06:18.000 --> 01:06:22.000
ripping up is still happening today.01:06:22.000 --> 01:06:26.000
We are still fighting as people of01:06:26.000 --> 01:06:27.000
different races to not have brown face01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:31.000
and yellow face and black face, but01:06:31.000 --> 01:06:32.000
when it comes to disability, I have to01:06:32.000 --> 01:06:37.000
sit for hours and hours and ask to01:06:37.000 --> 01:06:40.000
people that know the role of a girl01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:41.000
with cerebral palsy will not be played01:06:41.000 --> 01:06:42.000
by an nondisabled girl that is shaking.01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:45.000
01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:47.000
Marley Matlin had to threaten to step01:06:47.000 --> 01:06:48.000
away because they wanted to cast01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:51.000
nondata factors.01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:56.000
When we talk about Marley, let's talk01:06:56.000 --> 01:06:59.000
about this, 17 of the last 20 man to01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:01.000
win best act, played either disabled or01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:05.000
sick .01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:12.000
Marley Matlin was the only person with01:07:12.000 --> 01:07:13.000
the or only one with a disability, to01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:14.000
win in 33 years, just to come back and01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:16.000
win again.01:07:16.000 --> 01:07:17.000
This woman is the only one that is01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:19.000
winning.01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:20.000
She's the only one getting a chance.01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:24.000
01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:26.000
Eddie Red Wing got an award?01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:34.000
Let's talk about it.01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:35.000
Allie stroker on Sex in the city, she's01:07:35.000 --> 01:07:40.000
on only murders in the building, Ozark,01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:41.000
lifetime movies, we found one blonde01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:44.000
disabled woman he gave her every single01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:48.000
role on television, and Allie stroker01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:49.000
is the right ventricle of my heart .01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:50.000
I love her.01:07:50.000 --> 01:07:51.000
She should not get every single role01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:55.000
in television.01:07:55.000 --> 01:07:56.000
While we see these minor advancements,01:07:56.000 --> 01:08:01.000
we are still in a really pitiful01:08:01.000 --> 01:08:04.000
situation when the United States still01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:05.000
is casting nondisabled actors to play01:08:05.000 --> 01:08:06.000
physically disabled on TV.01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:07.000
It's offensive.01:08:07.000 --> 01:08:10.000
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>> I don't know much about01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:18.000
entertainment, bravo, but let's say the01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:19.000
venues already but they are not.01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:21.000
01:08:21.000 --> 01:08:24.000
I just dispensed $75,000 in my last01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:25.000
production, I am a small choreographer.01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:29.000
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The reason I was able to do it is01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:31.000
because I have a major foundation01:08:31.000 --> 01:08:33.000
supporting my work.01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:34.000
Most disabled people don't get that01:08:34.000 --> 01:08:39.000
opportunity, but let's say they are01:08:39.000 --> 01:08:42.000
ready, I am talking about a child that01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:43.000
is disabled like a wheelchair user01:08:43.000 --> 01:08:44.000
that's five or six, they go to a dance01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:45.000
studio.01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:46.000
This is a real story.01:08:46.000 --> 01:08:50.000
01:08:50.000 --> 01:08:53.000
Her mom took her to a dance studio,01:08:53.000 --> 01:08:59.000
another dance studio, another dance01:08:59.000 --> 01:09:00.000
studio, they all denied the child the01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:03.000
opportunity to take a dance class.01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:04.000
This is not about the artist, it's how01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:06.000
you make it there.01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:07.000
How do you go to school?01:09:07.000 --> 01:09:08.000
01:09:08.000 --> 01:09:16.000
How do you train as a dancer?01:09:16.000 --> 01:09:17.000
How do you keep your child in classes,01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:18.000
is transportation accessible and is the01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:19.000
building where the studio is accessible01:09:19.000 --> 01:09:23.000
?01:09:23.000 --> 01:09:24.000
We need to consider all of these01:09:24.000 --> 01:09:25.000
factors and do we have the money to pay01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:26.000
for classes for a disabled child to go01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:27.000
to arts classes?01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:30.000
01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:31.000
It so much more than the venue being01:09:31.000 --> 01:09:33.000
ready.01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:36.000
That's from the perspective of the01:09:36.000 --> 01:09:38.000
white to gaze, how we make art of01:09:38.000 --> 01:09:41.000
disabled people.01:09:41.000 --> 01:09:42.000
It's not only the presenting venue01:09:42.000 --> 01:09:45.000
that says they are ready but were not01:09:45.000 --> 01:09:49.000
ready as disabled people and there's a01:09:49.000 --> 01:09:53.000
whole infrastructure, it's about food,01:09:53.000 --> 01:09:54.000
transportation, infrastructure,01:09:54.000 --> 01:09:55.000
teachers ready to teach a dance to a01:09:55.000 --> 01:10:00.000
wheelchair user.01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:02.000
Many teachers are scared of teaching a01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:03.000
disabled child because is a fear about01:10:03.000 --> 01:10:04.000
being in social spaces with disabled01:10:04.000 --> 01:10:05.000
people.01:10:05.000 --> 01:10:11.000
People are scared of us.01:10:11.000 --> 01:10:14.000
So, I have venues, at least in dance.01:10:14.000 --> 01:10:18.000
They were ready for me because I have01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:21.000
big check for them, that is how people,01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:22.000
especially in this business, they seek01:10:22.000 --> 01:10:23.000
money not just this.01:10:23.000 --> 01:10:27.000
01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:28.000
>> With being ready, it's also very01:10:28.000 --> 01:10:29.000
hard for artists who are new to ask her01:10:29.000 --> 01:10:36.000
what they need.01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:37.000
When I went on MSNBC, they put me on a01:10:37.000 --> 01:10:38.000
spinning rolling chair and I almost01:10:38.000 --> 01:10:42.000
rolled off screen.01:10:42.000 --> 01:10:43.000
Was really uncomfortable and the next01:10:43.000 --> 01:10:45.000
time I said it was a problem and they01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:46.000
literally pinned me between the wall01:10:46.000 --> 01:10:47.000
and the chair so that the chair would01:10:47.000 --> 01:10:48.000
not move.01:10:48.000 --> 01:10:55.000
01:10:55.000 --> 01:10:56.000
Now, I have the ability as an artist01:10:56.000 --> 01:10:57.000
and a writer, to go up and be like, the01:10:57.000 --> 01:10:58.000
chair will be like this, the microphone01:10:58.000 --> 01:10:59.000
will be like this.01:10:59.000 --> 01:11:03.000
I will have ASL interpreters.01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:04.000
You have to understand that the artist01:11:04.000 --> 01:11:09.000
that is getting their first gig is01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:10.000
terrified to say hey I have to take an01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:11.000
insulin shot every three hours.01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:12.000
This 12 hour shoot will have to take01:11:12.000 --> 01:11:15.000
for breaks.01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:19.000
They are terrified of doing that01:11:19.000 --> 01:11:20.000
because yes, there is a law but the law01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:21.000
is not enforceable.01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:24.000
01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:25.000
There's no one we can call and say hey01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:26.000
there was an ADA violation,, and get01:11:26.000 --> 01:11:27.000
Angel.01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:29.000
01:11:29.000 --> 01:11:30.000
It's not actually enforceable, you know01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:32.000
what I mean?01:11:32.000 --> 01:11:35.000
That's the other big thing about this.01:11:35.000 --> 01:11:36.000
You in the back?01:11:36.000 --> 01:11:41.000
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>> No worries, we are first going to01:11:42.000 --> 01:11:48.000
take a question from zoom, this01:11:48.000 --> 01:11:49.000
question is maybe direct did; may be01:11:49.000 --> 01:11:51.000
you might have thoughts on this as01:11:51.000 --> 01:11:52.000
well, but anyone can chime in.01:11:52.000 --> 01:11:54.000
01:11:54.000 --> 01:11:57.000
You spoke a lot about accessibility and01:11:57.000 --> 01:12:01.000
physical spaces, what are your thoughts01:12:01.000 --> 01:12:04.000
or experiences interacting with digital01:12:04.000 --> 01:12:05.000
speeches such as the Internet and01:12:05.000 --> 01:12:06.000
websites etc.01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:09.000
?01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:10.000
>> They're not going to have time for01:12:10.000 --> 01:12:11.000
that.01:12:11.000 --> 01:12:13.000
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>> I think the potential is there .01:12:14.000 --> 01:12:15.000
We are not there.01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:18.000
01:12:18.000 --> 01:12:19.000
The technology is not there.01:12:19.000 --> 01:12:20.000
The construction of the space is not01:12:20.000 --> 01:12:30.000
there yet.01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:31.000
I think right now, what is challenging01:12:31.000 --> 01:12:35.000
about navigating digital spaces is that01:12:35.000 --> 01:12:40.000
it still very much the able-bodied user01:12:40.000 --> 01:12:42.000
and accommodations are being made for01:12:42.000 --> 01:12:47.000
people with disabilities .01:12:47.000 --> 01:12:50.000
As a mentioned, in my discussion, this01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:56.000
is a pivotal moment for people from all01:12:56.000 --> 01:12:57.000
backgrounds to start building in this01:12:57.000 --> 01:13:02.000
new space.01:13:02.000 --> 01:13:03.000
I think that is where the opportunity01:13:03.000 --> 01:13:10.000
and the challenge lies to be able to01:13:10.000 --> 01:13:15.000
have that space in which people who are01:13:15.000 --> 01:13:21.000
hard of hearing or deaf can contribute01:13:21.000 --> 01:13:26.000
to improving signing in virtual reality01:13:26.000 --> 01:13:32.000
spaces, they can advocate for more01:13:32.000 --> 01:13:33.000
closed captioning or live captioning in01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:41.000
virtual reality or augmented reality,01:13:41.000 --> 01:13:44.000
for people for neuro- divergent01:13:44.000 --> 01:13:49.000
experiences to express their discomfort01:13:49.000 --> 01:13:52.000
for the obstacles that the system01:13:52.000 --> 01:14:00.000
currently places on users.01:14:00.000 --> 01:14:04.000
Really incorporating these experiences01:14:04.000 --> 01:14:08.000
and this feedback and applying it,01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:15.000
earnestly and not reducing them to01:14:15.000 --> 01:14:16.000
anonymous comments or data that01:14:16.000 --> 01:14:17.000
engineers might work on later.01:14:17.000 --> 01:14:20.000
I think right now that the technology,01:14:20.000 --> 01:14:21.000
there is potential but it requires the01:14:21.000 --> 01:14:30.000
whole community to be a part of that01:14:30.000 --> 01:14:31.000
making .01:14:31.000 --> 01:14:32.000
>> I will add briefly that one of the01:14:32.000 --> 01:14:33.000
amazing things about zoom, when01:14:33.000 --> 01:14:34.000
everything, when the world shut down,01:14:34.000 --> 01:14:35.000
we began teaching our dream dance01:14:35.000 --> 01:14:36.000
classes online.01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:40.000
01:14:40.000 --> 01:14:41.000
The music was a challenge, it was01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:49.000
glitchy, but it opened up a whole world01:14:49.000 --> 01:14:50.000
of access because we had dancers who01:14:50.000 --> 01:14:51.000
joined us from their beds who would01:14:51.000 --> 01:14:52.000
never have been able to come into our01:14:52.000 --> 01:14:53.000
physical space to participate in the01:14:53.000 --> 01:14:54.000
class.01:14:54.000 --> 01:14:58.000
We had children from all over the01:14:58.000 --> 01:14:59.000
country joining us that we had children01:14:59.000 --> 01:15:04.000
who are wheelchair users who could hurt01:15:04.000 --> 01:15:06.000
to set it in their homes, perhaps with01:15:06.000 --> 01:15:10.000
assistive devices when they needed to .01:15:10.000 --> 01:15:14.000
So, there are pieces of the technology01:15:14.000 --> 01:15:16.000
and zoom technology that have given us01:15:16.000 --> 01:15:20.000
the opportunity to reach more children01:15:20.000 --> 01:15:22.000
and to innovate new ways to maximize01:15:22.000 --> 01:15:25.000
participation .01:15:25.000 --> 01:15:27.000
So that has been a gift of the COVID01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:28.000
for us.01:15:28.000 --> 01:15:31.000
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>> That's remote working, zoom, that is01:15:34.000 --> 01:15:38.000
grip culture.01:15:38.000 --> 01:15:39.000
We did it before, I was zooming two01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:40.000
years before the pandemic.01:15:40.000 --> 01:15:43.000
01:15:43.000 --> 01:15:44.000
The reason it became hugest because of01:15:44.000 --> 01:15:48.000
disability communities.01:15:48.000 --> 01:15:50.000
Again, there's a lot of erasure about01:15:50.000 --> 01:15:52.000
all of these things .01:15:52.000 --> 01:15:53.000
>> Ask people to keep the tech01:15:53.000 --> 01:15:54.000
knowledge he.01:15:54.000 --> 01:16:00.000
01:16:00.000 --> 01:16:01.000
I found people wanted to abandon the01:16:01.000 --> 01:16:02.000
technology we found during this, as01:16:02.000 --> 01:16:04.000
Christopher said, we were doing this01:16:04.000 --> 01:16:05.000
long before you all know about it, it01:16:05.000 --> 01:16:07.000
wasn't that hard to step into the01:16:07.000 --> 01:16:09.000
space, especially as a comic.01:16:09.000 --> 01:16:12.000
What I want to see is the continuing of01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:13.000
the culture .01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:16.000
I love that right now that we have the01:16:16.000 --> 01:16:17.000
entire zoom audience with S, we are01:16:17.000 --> 01:16:21.000
utilizing the more expanded universe01:16:21.000 --> 01:16:22.000
that we found, especially when we talk01:16:22.000 --> 01:16:23.000
about people with anxiety and mental01:16:23.000 --> 01:16:25.000
health issues.01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:28.000
It's a lifesaver to be able to01:16:28.000 --> 01:16:30.000
participate remotely .01:16:30.000 --> 01:16:35.000
>> We have time for one more question01:16:35.000 --> 01:16:36.000
from the back of New York City venue .01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:43.000
>> So much pressure .01:16:43.000 --> 01:16:44.000
>> Make it good, no pressure .01:16:44.000 --> 01:16:45.000
>> I will try my best, thank you for01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:51.000
bringing this to light.01:16:51.000 --> 01:16:52.000
These are all themes that that I, as a01:16:52.000 --> 01:16:53.000
dancer who was also neuro- diverse and01:16:53.000 --> 01:16:54.000
went to Princeton, I did a lot of01:16:54.000 --> 01:16:55.000
writing and living on this exact topic.01:16:55.000 --> 01:17:01.000
01:17:01.000 --> 01:17:02.000
I graduated in 2021, so I'm jealous I'm01:17:02.000 --> 01:17:05.000
missing these two wonderful fellows.01:17:05.000 --> 01:17:08.000
I currently work at Jacobs pillow which01:17:08.000 --> 01:17:11.000
is a big dance festival in the01:17:11.000 --> 01:17:14.000
Berkshires, we talk about how physical01:17:14.000 --> 01:17:16.000
space and preventing or presenting01:17:16.000 --> 01:17:21.000
venues have almost halted at times, the01:17:21.000 --> 01:17:25.000
ability to be or they will expect a01:17:25.000 --> 01:17:26.000
disabled artist to adapt to the scenery01:17:26.000 --> 01:17:29.000
itself and not create long-lasting01:17:29.000 --> 01:17:32.000
initiatives that physically change the01:17:32.000 --> 01:17:33.000
space to make it work and be ready for01:17:33.000 --> 01:17:34.000
anybody in any person in any mind01:17:34.000 --> 01:17:37.000
amending individual.01:17:37.000 --> 01:17:39.000
I think this question came out of your01:17:39.000 --> 01:17:47.000
discussing with the disco01:17:47.000 --> 01:17:48.000
conversations, what did the Princeton01:17:48.000 --> 01:17:49.000
students in terms of what is working01:17:49.000 --> 01:17:51.000
and what isn't, when in your01:17:51.000 --> 01:17:52.000
experience, all of you navigating01:17:52.000 --> 01:17:54.000
venues and being an artist, what are01:17:54.000 --> 01:18:03.000
wage that these historic landmarks or01:18:03.000 --> 01:18:04.000
the Ivy League dorms that are not01:18:04.000 --> 01:18:05.000
accessible for people who have no01:18:05.000 --> 01:18:06.000
elevators or Jacobs pillow that has01:18:06.000 --> 01:18:07.000
gravel roads and hills and rocks, how01:18:07.000 --> 01:18:08.000
can we work, potentially with funders01:18:08.000 --> 01:18:11.000
and pitch that to make those changes01:18:11.000 --> 01:18:13.000
and make them last more than just01:18:13.000 --> 01:18:17.000
beyond a one year grant?01:18:17.000 --> 01:18:20.000
>> Have a disabled person fall down and01:18:20.000 --> 01:18:27.000
sue them for other words, they learn01:18:27.000 --> 01:18:28.000
really quick when we do that.01:18:28.000 --> 01:18:29.000
If anyone finds a solution, let me01:18:29.000 --> 01:18:30.000
know.01:18:30.000 --> 01:18:31.000
It's been really hard, when you get01:18:31.000 --> 01:18:37.000
into the classic historical theaters01:18:37.000 --> 01:18:38.000
and staff, they are very emotional01:18:38.000 --> 01:18:40.000
about their structures and very01:18:40.000 --> 01:18:46.000
resistant about accessibility, which is01:18:46.000 --> 01:18:47.000
why I always court capitalism and say01:18:47.000 --> 01:18:48.000
do you want the 25% of the audience or01:18:48.000 --> 01:18:51.000
do you not?01:18:51.000 --> 01:18:52.000
At what point are you going to say that01:18:52.000 --> 01:18:53.000
we don't want seniors to come see our01:18:53.000 --> 01:18:57.000
show because the gravel is more01:18:57.000 --> 01:18:58.000
important?01:18:58.000 --> 01:18:59.000
01:18:59.000 --> 01:19:00.000
I have not succeeded.01:19:00.000 --> 01:19:02.000
I'm telling you the truth.01:19:02.000 --> 01:19:03.000
I have tried theaters throughout the01:19:03.000 --> 01:19:05.000
world to get them to have some sort of01:19:05.000 --> 01:19:06.000
access to the stage that's not stairs,01:19:06.000 --> 01:19:10.000
I have not succeeded.01:19:10.000 --> 01:19:12.000
What I heard from students was01:19:12.000 --> 01:19:13.000
successful was access to extraordinary01:19:13.000 --> 01:19:19.000
instruct others.01:19:19.000 --> 01:19:20.000
I'm not saying that about me, at01:19:20.000 --> 01:19:22.000
Princeton our lighting professor is01:19:22.000 --> 01:19:23.000
like a legend, a Broadway legend of01:19:23.000 --> 01:19:24.000
lighting.01:19:24.000 --> 01:19:26.000
01:19:26.000 --> 01:19:27.000
They are very happy about that.01:19:27.000 --> 01:19:30.000
What they are not happy about is that01:19:30.000 --> 01:19:33.000
people who are so tied into this old01:19:33.000 --> 01:19:37.000
theory of academia that they will not01:19:37.000 --> 01:19:38.000
where the amplifier so that it deaf or01:19:38.000 --> 01:19:43.000
hard of hearing person can even hear01:19:43.000 --> 01:19:44.000
them, they won't give them notes .01:19:44.000 --> 01:19:48.000
I have to convince professors all the01:19:48.000 --> 01:19:49.000
time to give students notes .01:19:49.000 --> 01:19:51.000
They are like well, if they can't take01:19:51.000 --> 01:19:52.000
notes they don't belong in the class,01:19:52.000 --> 01:19:53.000
you know how competitive it was to get01:19:53.000 --> 01:19:54.000
in here.01:19:54.000 --> 01:19:58.000
01:19:58.000 --> 01:19:59.000
Students are disappointed in the fact01:19:59.000 --> 01:20:02.000
that professors are so tied to the01:20:02.000 --> 01:20:04.000
legendary academia, are not making the01:20:04.000 --> 01:20:05.000
accommodations and are not simply01:20:05.000 --> 01:20:08.000
understanding one big thing.01:20:08.000 --> 01:20:12.000
There is no disabled student that is01:20:12.000 --> 01:20:16.000
asking for a guaranteed outcome .01:20:16.000 --> 01:20:17.000
A lot of professors think that when01:20:17.000 --> 01:20:22.000
the students are saying, I want to do01:20:22.000 --> 01:20:23.000
lighting, I can't climb onto the grid,01:20:23.000 --> 01:20:25.000
the professors instinct is to say then01:20:25.000 --> 01:20:26.000
you can't do lighting, do something01:20:26.000 --> 01:20:27.000
else.01:20:27.000 --> 01:20:29.000
01:20:29.000 --> 01:20:34.000
What they need, when we are in the01:20:34.000 --> 01:20:37.000
number one school, we beat Harvard this01:20:37.000 --> 01:20:38.000
year, we are the number one school, we01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:43.000
need to have innovative solutions.01:20:43.000 --> 01:20:44.000
We need to say, okay, we are not going01:20:44.000 --> 01:20:45.000
to ruin the gravel path but we are01:20:45.000 --> 01:20:47.000
going to build the gorges structure01:20:47.000 --> 01:20:48.000
above it that is accessible, how do you01:20:48.000 --> 01:20:53.000
do both.01:20:53.000 --> 01:20:57.000
When Christopher says it cost $75,00001:20:57.000 --> 01:20:58.000
to do a small structure, to make01:20:58.000 --> 01:20:59.000
lasting change to historical structures01:20:59.000 --> 01:21:00.000
is a big investment.01:21:00.000 --> 01:21:02.000
01:21:02.000 --> 01:21:05.000
What I'm saying is, it is worth it and01:21:05.000 --> 01:21:06.000
it pays for itself with audience access01:21:06.000 --> 01:21:07.000
that you would lose otherwise.01:21:07.000 --> 01:21:11.000
01:21:11.000 --> 01:21:12.000
We have gotten to the point, in01:21:12.000 --> 01:21:13.000
America, that if you are not accessible01:21:13.000 --> 01:21:18.000
to get shamed on twitter.01:21:18.000 --> 01:21:19.000
Publicity, we will shut down festivals01:21:19.000 --> 01:21:22.000
and we have set down movies .01:21:22.000 --> 01:21:26.000
Let me tell you, if I throw up the01:21:26.000 --> 01:21:27.000
wheelchair symbol, an entire army of01:21:27.000 --> 01:21:28.000
disabled people line up behind me.01:21:28.000 --> 01:21:31.000
01:21:31.000 --> 01:21:32.000
It's very disconcerting and powerful.01:21:32.000 --> 01:21:35.000
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>> I will say, in addition to the money01:21:37.000 --> 01:21:40.000
, that one of the problems that we have01:21:40.000 --> 01:21:41.000
in America is we do not want to stop.01:21:41.000 --> 01:21:45.000
01:21:45.000 --> 01:21:46.000
This hyper productivity culture, we01:21:46.000 --> 01:21:47.000
don't want to stop.01:21:47.000 --> 01:21:51.000
01:21:51.000 --> 01:21:55.000
So what if Jacob pillow stops for three01:21:55.000 --> 01:21:56.000
years and makes all the difference in01:21:56.000 --> 01:21:57.000
the infrastructure?01:21:57.000 --> 01:21:58.000
01:21:58.000 --> 01:21:59.000
It takes time.01:21:59.000 --> 01:22:04.000
You won't build it into months.01:22:04.000 --> 01:22:05.000
So we need to understand that this is01:22:05.000 --> 01:22:08.000
grip time and this is how we understand01:22:08.000 --> 01:22:12.000
grip time, things need time, think01:22:12.000 --> 01:22:13.000
about and reflect on it and welcome01:22:13.000 --> 01:22:15.000
disabled people into the conversation.01:22:15.000 --> 01:22:17.000
What do we need, what do we need to01:22:17.000 --> 01:22:19.000
make this space accessible?01:22:19.000 --> 01:22:20.000
That takes money and time.01:22:20.000 --> 01:22:24.000
01:22:24.000 --> 01:22:26.000
If we don't stop, this is the thing01:22:26.000 --> 01:22:29.000
that I believe disability communities01:22:29.000 --> 01:22:34.000
are really contributing to the moment01:22:34.000 --> 01:22:35.000
right now in 2023 and the pandemic,01:22:35.000 --> 01:22:39.000
stop.01:22:39.000 --> 01:22:40.000
I tell my students, my students, they01:22:40.000 --> 01:22:43.000
are welcome to take a nap any time .01:22:43.000 --> 01:22:47.000
>> Yes, mine also .01:22:47.000 --> 01:22:50.000
>> From 21, maybe 15 are taking a nap,01:22:50.000 --> 01:22:51.000
that's how desperate they are to stop.01:22:51.000 --> 01:22:58.000
01:22:58.000 --> 01:22:59.000
Stop and reflect before we make01:22:59.000 --> 01:23:00.000
decisions, before we spend $75,000 on a01:23:00.000 --> 01:23:01.000
ramp that is not gonna work for more01:23:01.000 --> 01:23:02.000
than three months, let's use the01:23:02.000 --> 01:23:04.000
resources wisely.01:23:04.000 --> 01:23:06.000
Let's stop for a moment to think about01:23:06.000 --> 01:23:07.000
the of reasonable creative, real01:23:07.000 --> 01:23:08.000
solution for all of this.01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:11.000
01:23:11.000 --> 01:23:16.000
>> Having a disability consultant .01:23:16.000 --> 01:23:17.000
>> Not a consultant but like a group01:23:17.000 --> 01:23:20.000
of people because one person cannot01:23:20.000 --> 01:23:21.000
make the decision for all the different01:23:21.000 --> 01:23:22.000
disabilities that we have.01:23:22.000 --> 01:23:23.000
Thank you.01:23:23.000 --> 01:23:26.000
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>> With that, and before I think -01:23:34.000 --> 01:23:35.000
>> What's in the bag Dawn, tell me01:23:35.000 --> 01:23:40.000
what's in the bag, is it cash?01:23:40.000 --> 01:23:42.000
[ LAUGHTER ] >> Before we formally01:23:42.000 --> 01:23:47.000
think our panelists, I want to reflect01:23:47.000 --> 01:23:48.000
as well because Christopher mentioned01:23:48.000 --> 01:23:59.000
his reflection a minute ago.01:23:59.000 --> 01:24:00.000
It reminds me, back in 2017 when Angel01:24:00.000 --> 01:24:02.000
at the Lewis Center for the arts and01:24:02.000 --> 01:24:08.000
myself, made a commitment to each other01:24:08.000 --> 01:24:09.000
to explore artists and entrepreneurs as01:24:09.000 --> 01:24:10.000
a group of people who have so much in01:24:10.000 --> 01:24:13.000
common.01:24:13.000 --> 01:24:20.000
In terms of innovation, creativity,01:24:20.000 --> 01:24:28.000
passion, empathy, resilience, these01:24:28.000 --> 01:24:29.000
adjectives make Princeton very powerful.01:24:29.000 --> 01:24:32.000
We were committed, Aidan Gill and INR01:24:32.000 --> 01:24:35.000
respect organizations, to explore how01:24:35.000 --> 01:24:36.000
artists and entrepreneurs can work01:24:36.000 --> 01:24:39.000
together and actually leverage and01:24:39.000 --> 01:24:43.000
benefit from each other this panel01:24:43.000 --> 01:24:46.000
discussion, to me, reflects that in01:24:46.000 --> 01:24:48.000
such a meaningful way .01:24:48.000 --> 01:24:51.000
So, With that, first of all I'd like01:24:51.000 --> 01:24:53.000
to thank the two ASL interpreters.01:24:53.000 --> 01:24:54.000
[ Applause ] marvelous.01:24:54.000 --> 01:25:04.000
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On behalf of both the Princeton01:25:05.000 --> 01:25:06.000
entrepreneur Council and Lewis Center01:25:06.000 --> 01:25:07.000
for the arts, a token of our01:25:07.000 --> 01:25:08.000
appreciation as well as with Sophia,01:25:08.000 --> 01:25:11.000
Sophia in the background was connecting01:25:11.000 --> 01:25:12.000
the zoom community with this community01:25:12.000 --> 01:25:17.000
here, Sophia, thank you so much.01:25:17.000 --> 01:25:20.000
And for our panelists, I will hand out01:25:20.000 --> 01:25:21.000
the gifts afterwords .01:25:21.000 --> 01:25:23.000
>> Is it cheese?01:25:23.000 --> 01:25:24.000
>> You will have to see.01:25:24.000 --> 01:25:29.000
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But, a resounding round of applause for01:25:30.000 --> 01:25:37.000
the most fascinating conversation.01:25:37.000 --> 01:25:43.000
[ Applause ] with that we will close01:25:43.000 --> 01:25:44.000
down the zoom connection, so for those01:25:44.000 --> 01:25:45.000
of us who have joined remotely, Thank01:25:45.000 --> 01:25:46.000
you very much.01:25:46.000 --> 01:25:47.000
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We will see you again.01:25:49.000 --> 01:25:53.000
For the audience here, we are now going01:25:53.000 --> 01:25:56.000
to break for a reception with food and01:25:56.000 --> 01:26:01.000
wine and soft drinks